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I heard a Coast show with the Web Bot guys this week that made me take notice. Everyone has lots of ideas on how a SHTF scenario might go down. Its really all speculation because there are so many possibilities but the Web Bot guys try to make a little sense of it all.

If your not familiar with the Web Bot research you might want to check it out. Its has to do with picking up future events through web searches. Its some pretty interest research. Its far from perfect but there is something to it.

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/NuHPHWhatWeDo.htm

http://www.urbansurvival.com/


According to the Web Bots it looks like we are getting short on time. There scenario vibes with mine where we will start with bank closing, possibly a readjustment of the value of currency and Bush using civil unrest to cancel elections.

Anyway here are the Web Bot predictions.
Its pretty interesting but grim.. Oh and even though its not on the list the web guys have been talking gold and silver for a while. They have been saying silver is going to astonish us all. They also talked about serious food shortages.


Here are the web bot predictions..

In late March, look for massive unemployment to take hold.
During the summer, a backlash against the US government could involve a call to hold the elections early.

As the housing industry continues its collapse, there could be a seizure or lock-up of the ability to transfer property.

A "fuzzy revolution" could involve squatters or collectives moving into empty or foreclosed homes.

In October, there'll be a major stock market crash or a climate event that has a disastrous effect on the economy.

There could be a major bank failure, possibly involving a foreign bailout that is reneged upon.

A "global coastal event" within the next five years will involve a rise in sea levels that will knock out oil refineries.

There will be an untimely demise for millions by 2012, brought upon by some combination of pandemics, economic collapse, breakdown of health care and unknown energies from space.

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IMO the sheeple wake up next spring, when the change they have been waiting for is just more repacked TPTB B.S.:rant:

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Perhaps so.....although my personal meter is already pegged out.

http://www.digistash.com/data/026a39...28_p116275.gif

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SS, I hope you are right and we have until next spring. In the meantime don't leave yourself unprotected.

The web bots are interesting because they pick up on the emotions of a situation and not the event.
Lets say NASA manufactured a fake meteorite strike and said it was going to strike in a three months. The web bots would pick up on it maybe a year in advance of the announcement. The searches would indicate meteorite strike even though it was manufactured. Situations of extreme fear and real events are hard to differentiate.

Here is what I find fascinating about this research. If we believe in free will and the ability to change and control our destiny to some degree this research sort of confirms it. It appears when mass consciousness begins to overwhelmin,y think in a direction that reality manifests.

Sadly there is not good news on the Web Bots. Peoples emotions and interest in negative events WAY suprpasses the positive. Since sending a tremendous amount of emotion into a situation appears to be what manifests it then in a sense we are all feeding this beast..

Anyway, I'm rambling ..sorry

The bottom line is if you put together what many of us are feeling, along with economic news, psychic predictions, different religions and now Web Bots we do seem to be building to something in the next 4 years. The Web Bot research sort of summarizes what direction and timing I have been leaning towards.
BTW, the Web Bot guys practice what they preach. On has a bug out ranch big enough to accommodate the whole extended family and the other is building a boat. :D

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That may not be as far out as in sounds. There is indication that either a real of fake ET or religious event scenario could be used to control the masses.

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Don't worry Jaima... Marines are always prepared. I am just looking for a castle...

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If you live on a coast or in a large city, the best thing to do is sell your house and either rent or move. I've been listening to George and Cliff for some time now and that's my take.

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Oh you have no idea how appealing that looks SS.
I have been having my "little cabin in the woods" fantasy a lot lately. A castle in the rocks looks just as nice. :)

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What, no WAR????? To have a really good World shaking event there has to be a war somewhere. Right? Somebody will figure there is an advantage in it. When Hitler invaded Poland nobady expected that. Then he turned right around and invaded France.

SB

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From what I am gathering there will be some type of civil war. Combine food and fuel shortages, homelessness and unemployment with Bankers and CEOs pulling in billions and there you have a SHTF situation already. At some point the masses will rebel. I think that is the reason for the camps..
The web guys are looking for a revolution. There was mentioned of Vets becoming very vocal soon.

Does anyone really doubt why Bush bought land In Paraguay? He knows he will not be safe in the US.

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I cant cut and paste this article for whatever reason you have to check out the link yourself

But basically they put a MAJOR collaspe at about september of THIS YEAR ..... all markets across the globe could take hits between 40-80%.

I find that very particular because with it being so close to novemeber that would be the perfect time for Bush to set him self up as "dictator"

http://silverbearcafe.com/private/3.08/experts.html


anyways I would like to know what you guys think .....it is short and consice


T

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TA, that jives with the time of the Bot guys too...
I think I mentioned that my Uncle Mr Mainstream Bank VP and Investment Attorney called me and told me to GET OUT OF STOCKS NOW the crash was coming.

I know how you feel about paper but I wonder how PM stocks will do. I'm working up my nerve to get out. My Investor beat me down again the other day but I'm getting ready to fight back. I may need a pep talk. He tells me I am emotionally over reactive.

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oh yeah that looks really cool.

what struck me at first is how well some of the walls blended in with the stone cliff. then I thought about how neat it would be to have a castle like that designed to completely blend in with the surrounding so unless you look carefully you would think it was just a rocky outcropping

for me the biggest factor in a SHTF scenario for a home would be concealment. it's the best defense. better than M60 machine gun nests, claymore mines and guard towers. because afterall, how can someone even attack you if they dont see you or know you are there?

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So do these "bots" have any kind of a track record...history?... even if they did, Im not implying that I'd rely on it as a definitive... However.. my meter's pegged as well.

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Jamia, That is was is so clear to me.......there is going to MASSIVE PAIN in the pm stocks for lots of reasons but I point out two:

Just on CNBC today the head of (barrick or was it barclays?) was talking about how his company will do when gold bolts pass 1000. first thing out this guys mouth: WE DO NOT HEDGE ....he was lying his @$$ off !!! Ted butler has a libary full of articles of how That company is BILLIONS IN THE HOLE because they bet the wrong way on the gold price and they are practically INSOLVENT. but because of a "wink and nod" from the higher up's they can do all sorts of numerical gynastics with the numbers. My feeling :It is only a matter a time before shareholders of this company or a similar one get wiped out on what they thought was "sure thing".

Another point: I can see when the market meltdown hits there are going to a few winning sectors(which the miners and producers certainly will be) among the ocean of losers .but the wildcard card there is THE GUBBERMINT. I see them within weeks of the market turmoil slapping price controls or special taxes on the miners et all so they can "prop up" the markets and if the dont want to pay "their fair share" THEY WILL GET NATIONLIZED (who is going to stop them?) and the share holders cant do jack shyt except hope and pray they dont get sent to FEMA camp for re education because they wanted to "cash in" on ill gotten gains at the expense of "we the people".

Bottom line J:


When you play in paper.....there is a understood presuppostion: THAT MARKETS WILL SOME HOW REMAIN ORDERLY WHEN YOU DESIRE TO CASH OUT TO REALIZE YOUR PROFITS

I dont think that rule is going to hold true going forward in the near term. that is why I raise holy hell about getting out of paper or just keeping a small portion that if it got lost in the meltdown.....it wouldnt be that painful a experince.. you dont like it ....but it wont kill you.



I hope I am wrong about that other secenario and that people see astronomical gains in there portfolios .....But if I am just HALF RIGHT ...... what is your course of action then??


Something to ponder for sure.


T

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I can't predict the future, but all of the indicators that I'm seeing are troubling to say the least. I'm more inclined to support the view that things won't get bad until after the Olympics and elections.

IMO, it's the perfect scenario.
First, China gets to "prove" how "progressive and modern" they are via a facade of humanitarianism and internationalism to a global audience.

Second, the U.S. population is further conditioned to accept and embrace the false notions of compassionate socialism/communism as "Solutions for America."

Third, the fore votes in the latter into political power in November.

Fourth, the systematic purges of the "evil and radical" Bourgeoisie/capitalists/nationalists slowly begins in addition to the nationalization of large portions of the economy.

Fifth, ****insert favorite expletive here.****

:D

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Jaima, I follow the 'bots via Urbansurvival, as well.

Thanks for the synopsis of the radio interview.

Is the radio show archived anywhere?

Links?

Thanks in advance.

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http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleD....aspx?e=918803


International experts foresee collapse of U.S. economy

And you thought that I had a gloomy outlook on the economy. Now the bad news pops up everywhere.

Harry Koza in the Globe and Mail quotes Bernard Connelly, the global strategist at Banque AIG in London, who claims that the likelihood of a Great Depression is growing by the day.

Martin Wolf, celebrated columnist of the U.K.-based Financial Times, cites Dr. Nouriel Roubini of the New York University's Stern School of Business, who, in 12 steps, outlines how the losses of the American financial system will grow to more than $1 trillion - that's one million times $1 million. That amount is equal to all the assets of all American banks.

Every day now, thousands of people all over the U.S. and Great Britain are walking away from their homes - simply mailing their house keys to the banks - as housing bailout plans fail.

With unemployment growing, the next phase will hit commercial real estate making the financial institutions the unwilling owners not only of quickly depreciating houses, but also of empty strip malls and even larger shopping centres.

The next domino to fall will be credit card defaults, and after that... who knows? There are so many exotic funds out there, with trillions of dollars in paper - or rather computer-screen money - all carrying assorted acronyms, and all about to disintegrate into nothingness. Over the next couple of years, scores of banks that have thrived on these devices, based on quickly disappearing equities, will fail.

The most frightening forecast so far comes from the Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin (GEAB), available for 200 euros - about $300 - for 16 issues annually. Its prediction is quite specific.

Where my warnings never spelled out an exact date, this think tank has it pegged precisely. Here are its very words:

"The end of the third quarter of 2008 (thus late September, a mere seven months from now) will be marked by a new tipping point in the unfolding of the global systemic crisis.

"At that time indeed, the cumulated impact of the various sequences of the crisis will reach its maximum strength and affect decisively the very heart of the systems concerned, on the front line of which (is) the United States, epicentre of the current crisis.

"In the United States, this new tipping point will translate into - get this - a collapse of the real economy, (the) final socio-economic stage of the serial bursting of the housing and financial bubbles and of the pursuance of the U.S. dollar fall. The collapse of U.S. real economy means the virtual freeze of the American economic machinery: private and public bankruptcies in large numbers, companies and public services closing down."



The report goes on to say that we are entering a period for which there is no historic precedent. Any comparisons with previous situations in our modern economy are invalid.

We are not experiencing a "remake" of the 1929 crisis nor a repetition of the 1970s oil crises or 1987 stock market crisis.

What we will have, instead, is truly a global momentous threat - a true turning point affecting the entire planet and questioning the very foundations of the international system upon which the world was organized in the last decades.

The report emphasizes that it is, first and foremost, in the United States where this historic happening is taking an unprecedented shape (the authors call it "Very Great U.S. Depression").

It continues to predict that, although this crucial event is global, it will be the beginning of an economic 'decoupling' between the U.S. and the rest of the world. However, non 'decoupled' economies will be dragged down the U.S. negative spiral.

Concerning stock markets, the GEAB anticipates that international stocks would plummet by 40 to 80 per cent depending where in the world they are located, all affected in the course of the year 2008 by the collapse of the real economy in the U.S. by the end of summer.

The European authors of this report - it appears simultaneously in French, German and English - state that they simply and without prejudice try to describe in advance the consequences of the ominous trends at play in this 21st-century world, and to share these with their readers, so that they can take the proper means to protect themselves from the most negative effects.

So there you have it. Three reports from three different sources, all well regarded, and all pointing to a disastrous fall-out from our monetary moves.

This and earlier columns can be seen at hielema.ca. Comments to hielema@allstream.net.

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jaima,
this guy WORKS for you
this is YOUR money he's " managing "

perhaps do a little research
and find out what rules he supposedly has to go by
if a customer wants to pull out their money, what can he do ?

just walk in there and you tell him what you want to do
and please don't let him persaude you to switch to other " paper assets "

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First is my prediction.

It will start at the END of August. And unfortunately for me, it will start HERE in Denver. The Democratic National Convention is being held HERE this year. It's at the end of August.

When the 'Clinton Machine' steals the nomination from BHO, his people will literally go on a rampage, backed up by the Recreate 68 people. Click on that link. On the front page on the right hand side is a button marked 'Resources'. Click on the RESOURCES button. You will then see several buttons to choose from. Read the first two. The 'LEGAL' button and the 'STREET TACTICS' button. The button underneath that is 'STREET MEDIC INFO' but the page that it takes you to says it is 'under construction', meaning they haven't added that yet.

People ask me WHY my wife, my MIL and a couple of friends are 'bugging out' for that week. Well DUH, these folks are gonna get crazy. If Denver is lucky, it will be contained to downtown that gets all the destruction. If it moves out into the suburbs, then things will REALLY start to burn.

Anyway, from there it could very easily spill over to the rest of the US as BHO's people become first disenfrancised and then violent all across the country in all the larger east and west coast cities. Some of the large cities in the heartland will possibly also suffer.

THAT'S THE BEGINING.

Now, FOR SS, you do know CASTLES don't come cheap, right? Having said that, here's one just east of Denver. NOT your normal castle though...

20th Century Castles

Click on that link. On the left you will see buttons. Click on the button marked 'Properties'. It will take you to the page with the properties they have for sale. The very first property is a Titan 1 site that's located east of Denver. Click on the picture and it will take you to a page with a few more pictures. Down at the bottom are buttons. Click on the 'Below ground' button. It will give you a good idea of what you would get for you $1.8M (yes MILLION). But it sits on 225 acres that will be developed IF nothing happens and are worth at least two thirds of that price (my pricing info is at least four years old). It should be noted that there is 45,000 sq ft underground. There are 2 high capacity wells, that according to the guy who sells them goes to the second aquifer, which means they could be as deep as 10,000 feet down. Now this is a CASTLE for the MARINE in you.

Last, but not least, my dad has had a hobby. He has been 'playing' the stock market for more than twenty years. He wins some, he loses some. He's never been below where he started monetarily. My mom has been trying for the past two or three years to get him to stop. So, before I went down for his 84th birthday, I sent him the article from the guy on MSNBC, where he predicted the stock market was going to drop 1000 points. Two days before I arrived, the market dumped 500 points. The following Monday was MLK's holiday. The Tuesday after the holiday, the market ATTEMPTED to dump another 500 points (dropped 498) before the FRB stepped in and dropped prime by 3/4 a point. That kept the drop to around 200 points.

So, my dad and I sat down and I explained several things. When we were done, he called his broker and sold all his stock and closed his account. My mom was estatic. They are in OK financial shape. But she worried he would be 'despondent' if the market dumped and he lost everything he had there. Not that it would effect their lifestyle, it wouldn't. But she is concerned for my dad's health.

IF (when?) the market takes a cr@p all over itself, there are going to be a LOT of depressed people. FOLKS, do you have a 401K? Do you have a pension plan? OK, ALL OF THOSE are tied to the stock market. When it goes south, there goes your 401K and pension. Like I said, A LOT of depressed people. Then they will get angry. THEN THEY WILL GET VIOLENT.

At this point, things so to hell in a hand basket.

That's MY prediction. We will see.

Jaima,
I will tell you the same thing I told my dad. GET OUT NOW. If you wait TOO long and try and time the market (like a lot of people ARE doing) you could end up holding an empty sack. GET OUT NOW. Can't say it any plainer than that.

What you do with the money is up to you.

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Wow....... I can really feel the shift in sentiment on this board as of late.


Take it away phil..........

T

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does anyone think this transition
to a national drivers license in the first half of May will go smoothly

how many states have said no to this, 17 (?)

and those who refuse, may not be allowed access to gov't facilities ?



TA - you're right, Sarah Conner at the fence . . .

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I really don't think any democrat is capable of tearing up anything. Besides, Denver is supposed to be the new world head quarters and i can't imagine any disorder will be allowed here.

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Or what about this one... this one is really fitting for a SHTF and a police state theme. pretty amazing a song like this and this kind of video was airing on the mass media air waves.

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It wont go smoothly at all ......but at least serveral states will be able to make the transition on schedule then it will be just piece at a time state by state until the last "hold outs" are swallowed up.


divide and conquer


T

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DF,
You know as well as I do that while what you say is correct, it will OCCUR at DIA. In the underground city that's been built just for this purpose.

What happens to downtown Denver and all of it's suburbs REALLY means diddly to these people.

Go read the Recreate 68 site. They are LITERALLY telling people that anarchy in the streets is NOT illegal.

I'm split between keeping my family safe and facing these facists with a hail of lead. But I keep falling to the side of keeping my family safe and keeping my powder dry until I REALLY need it.

We shall see. The truth is, we are entering a very dark period of the history of not ONLY the USA, but the world in general. And it's gonna get WAY WORSE before it gets better.

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DF is feet-wet over the atlanic in mid-june so no matter what happens during the DNC (or for the next 2-3 years for that matter), i'm gonna be 'dog gone'.

btw: denver is moving it's "skid row" to the next city over from its current location in downtown denver....can't have the cameras see the growing numbers of homeless people now can we. :sarcasm:

the DNC will be quite the dog and pony show for this one-horse town and the other day i saw my first 'blacked out' Chevy tahoe with government plates in downtown denver (illegally parked of course).

DNC: it's going to be interesting to say the least.

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Here is a breif summary of the show on the Coast site. Coast keeps a steady stream of guests who are following this very carefully.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/03/04.html

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CG, yeah my Investor works for me. I don't think he is a bad guy. I think he really believes the system could never fail. I paid some heavy front end loads and I'm tied up in some municipal bonds. Ill have to find out what is involved in getting out.

TA, I'm at a lose to explain my own inaction. Trying to time the market is only a small part. I'm beginning to see that is not possible and willing to take the loses. Its more the mentality of sitting on the railroad track too frozen to move.
I thought about it a lot today. I think exiting all my investments is admitting its game over. I still had hopes we could save the system, save the country and return to the America I grew up in and loved. Then I realize that was all lost a long time ago.

I have been spending a lot of time on GIM because if I don't I will go back to sleep. In some ways I envy the people who don't know anything is wrong.

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I find that if I don't come and read here and other places for a few days I start to revert back. It doesn't take much. When spending a few days away and just reading the paper and such it makes me start to think like a sheep real fast.

Of course this makes me ponder my position. I sometimes wonder if I'm over reacting and everything will be ok. All in all I don't think I'll ever know before hand so I continue to prep as good as I can financially and physically.

Sometimes though, I picture myself as an old man with rooms full of unused stuff and piles of gold and silver buried all over my county. :D

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Jaima, Ive been waking up early (unusual for me) with anxiety about what the market it doing, what PMs are doing, what food prices are doing. The
more it all seems real, the more anxious I feel. I realise I need to include some anxiety preps in my hideyholes: Valerian and Kava Kava tinctures
and valerian and scullcap seeds.
I too wonder about the stress, and if it would be better physically to not know anything and one day just have to deal with it all. Sometimes the
sense of anticipation is overwhelming. Also the dread. And of course the hope that it will all just blow over, which is like the last shred of denial. I can't hang on to it at all. So I hang on to my preps, which are fast becoming like little animated lifesavers.

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LOL, thanks for the laugh. My biggest fear is I will bury stuff and forget where I bury it.

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If hillary steals this nomination (and I am pretty sure she will)it will make the LA riots look like childs play I think you have hit the nail on the head with this one I will make sure I have got plenty of pop corn on hand and my dish bill paid because it will be good tv:applause_:applause_:applause_

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Golden Poet, very well said.

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While I do appreciate the desire to 'forget it all', you will forgive me, but that sounds like the residents of New Orleans who did NOT leave.

They just couldn't fathom that the hurricane would be as bad as it was. They just couldn't fathom that the government 'let them down' after the hurricane WAS as bad as the forecasters said it was.

So, while I do appeciate your wispful thinking 'we CAN make a difference'... 'we can go back to the 1950's' .

Folks, we are getting ready to experience something terrible. Dare I say almost 'biblical' in proportion? I can't say what. But I just think that there are TOO many people thinking like this. People who would NEVER had been aware before.

So, if you think the residents of New Orleans faired well, then you can ALWAYS stop where you are.

Aproz, if you ARE burying all this stuff all over your county, make sure you have some kind of way to identify WHERE they went. Trust me when I say that when you are an OLD MAN, remembering WHERE you buried all these little treasure WILL be a real challenge.

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BAHHH!!

THE SHEEP KNOW "SOMETHING" IS WRONG THEY JUST DONT KNOW WHAT BUT I ASSURE YOU EVERYBODY CAN FEEL IT.

The scales are being peeling back from EVERYBODYS eyes moving forward... there is no more "sleep walking" ..........either you get up or they(life) will throw ice water and scream into a bull horn until you get up of your @$$! ( For many the shock of no more "sleep"alone will kill them).

I dont like it anymore than the next person...... escpecially since I know I am underprepared at this point and the work I trying to do is not happening fast enough. But you now what? you just reach a point I call it a epiphany......... when a calm starts to over take you it is almost erie....you realize what ever is going to happen is going to happen. It is when you get to that point you start loose yourself form the chains that have been wrapped around your mind.


We as a society are coming to point that we are going to have to face a collective MOMENT OF TRUTH......OUR RECKONING..... and only the people that made the choice to swallow that strong bitter medicine(the red pill) NOW are going to be able to transition it to the next level......

So be glad......dont envy the sheep......think of it as a giant headstart....cause trust me ....in due time when it dawns on them that the gig is up .... IT IS THEY WHO WILL ENVY US!!!

T

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I actually do bury it. :smokin:

It sounds bonkers but I'm assuring myself it's safe. For the short term I've used GPS but I've been designing a treasure map of sorts for my family to inherit should I suffer an untimely death. :wink:

I'm still working out the details but I'm trying to set it up so they don't have the whole picture until after I'm dead. Anyways, I never felt comfortable with my holding PMs in the house even when in a safe. There are just to many things that could go wrong, namely a major fire.

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Thanks for the link, Jaima.

Looks like one has to be a subscriber to listen to the archives.

Oh well.

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I don't think anyone in this crowd would find it odd that you bury your gold. I thought that was a given. :s9: Really where did people get the idea that burying your treasure was eccentric behavior. Its a very logical choice. Just ask Blackbeard.

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Lackluster, it is money well spent. Coast has regular guest that stay right on top of the economic situation.

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I made the mistake of telling a sheep one time about my prepping. If only I had a picture of the look on his face. :D

I proceeded to laugh it off as if I was joking with him. Won't make that mistake again.

Now if anyone is interested I wait until they bring it up and I tell them I read somewhere that "if you do this..." type of thing.